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	<title>Comments on: chinesepod thoughts - or &#8216;how to make a charcoal mess out of burnt bridge-wood&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.aricwithana.com/2008/12/26/chinesepod-thoughts-or-how-to-make-a-charcoal-mess-out-of-burnt-bridge-wood/comment-page-2/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you seem to take a lot of interest in my life, MacBooker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you seem to take a lot of interest in my life, MacBooker.</p>
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		<title>By: MacBooker</title>
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		<dc:creator>MacBooker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aric, I don't see the similiarites between the pilot show and what John subsequently came up with.  Sorry, I don't see it.  

What doe you mean by  "Shanghai Exile?"  It was time for you to leave Shanghai, it had gotten stale for you, and your time there was over.  You could've going back there and faced the music, but since you didn't, it was time for you to move on. You don't really know why the Police came for you.  

ChinesePod had passed you by.  All of the suits there, have gotten rich and they seek new ways to obtain revenue.  They took away your original intro-jingle and replaced all of their subsequent lessons without it.  They still use your voice for some of the lessons, at the end.  I hope that you get royalities for your voice.    

You need to get over your time in Shanghai and move on.  It's all water under the bridge.  Get on with your life in the States and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aric, I don&#8217;t see the similiarites between the pilot show and what John subsequently came up with.  Sorry, I don&#8217;t see it.  </p>
<p>What doe you mean by  &#8220;Shanghai Exile?&#8221;  It was time for you to leave Shanghai, it had gotten stale for you, and your time there was over.  You could&#8217;ve going back there and faced the music, but since you didn&#8217;t, it was time for you to move on. You don&#8217;t really know why the Police came for you.  </p>
<p>ChinesePod had passed you by.  All of the suits there, have gotten rich and they seek new ways to obtain revenue.  They took away your original intro-jingle and replaced all of their subsequent lessons without it.  They still use your voice for some of the lessons, at the end.  I hope that you get royalities for your voice.    </p>
<p>You need to get over your time in Shanghai and move on.  It&#8217;s all water under the bridge.  Get on with your life in the States and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric with an E</title>
		<link>http://www.aricwithana.com/2008/12/26/chinesepod-thoughts-or-how-to-make-a-charcoal-mess-out-of-burnt-bridge-wood/comment-page-2/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric with an E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize I'm a little late here but here goes. 

Aric, you make a good point about the similarities between the videos and the names. John and Frank have proposed an alternative explanation for what happened, which I wont reproduce here. 

However, I will point out that if John and Chinesepod did deliberately steal Frank's idea, then they are idiots. To think that you could get away with stealing your friend's idea in today's gossipy internet age is almost unthinkable. How could you possibly produce a weekly show without without getting lambasted by Frank, the CP community of users, and the blogosphere? 

Now, I'm a CP user but have never worked with any of the people there so can't vouch for their intelligence. But you have, so I will ask you - are John and CP management complete idiots? 

I'm not sure how you can hold your position without believing they are morons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize I&#8217;m a little late here but here goes. </p>
<p>Aric, you make a good point about the similarities between the videos and the names. John and Frank have proposed an alternative explanation for what happened, which I wont reproduce here. </p>
<p>However, I will point out that if John and Chinesepod did deliberately steal Frank&#8217;s idea, then they are idiots. To think that you could get away with stealing your friend&#8217;s idea in today&#8217;s gossipy internet age is almost unthinkable. How could you possibly produce a weekly show without without getting lambasted by Frank, the CP community of users, and the blogosphere? </p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m a CP user but have never worked with any of the people there so can&#8217;t vouch for their intelligence. But you have, so I will ask you - are John and CP management complete idiots? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how you can hold your position without believing they are morons.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>我同意</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我同意</p>
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		<title>By: -Rz</title>
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		<dc:creator>-Rz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>不是吗。。。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>不是吗。。。</p>
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		<title>By: e.wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>e.wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy new year! I also found this site from shanghaiist..after watching both videos. They are similar and different in a lot of ways.. umm I think it's a gray area, I'm not sure if there is another simple way to teach the radicals as it were shown on both videos. What really sucks is Amber leaving cpod :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy new year! I also found this site from shanghaiist..after watching both videos. They are similar and different in a lot of ways.. umm I think it&#8217;s a gray area, I&#8217;m not sure if there is another simple way to teach the radicals as it were shown on both videos. What really sucks is Amber leaving cpod <img src='http://www.aricwithana.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: HPmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>HPmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you've been seriously confusing who's ranting and who got shafted from the very start. Do you even know what we're talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you&#8217;ve been seriously confusing who&#8217;s ranting and who got shafted from the very start. Do you even know what we&#8217;re talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, I'm an angry white guy?  I didn't even express any anger, nor am I angry, despite being unfairly insulted for click through from the wrong site, called a douche, and told to fuck off by the very guy who called me the angry guy.  I'm just here because I'm chuckling at the delusional people I encounter every time I stumble into the realms of blog comments.  I find it amusing.

"synonym = homonym" was a correction.  I'm surprised neither of you could have deduced that from the context.

Happy New Year.  My amusement with you all will soon pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, I&#8217;m an angry white guy?  I didn&#8217;t even express any anger, nor am I angry, despite being unfairly insulted for click through from the wrong site, called a douche, and told to fuck off by the very guy who called me the angry guy.  I&#8217;m just here because I&#8217;m chuckling at the delusional people I encounter every time I stumble into the realms of blog comments.  I find it amusing.</p>
<p>&#8220;synonym = homonym&#8221; was a correction.  I&#8217;m surprised neither of you could have deduced that from the context.</p>
<p>Happy New Year.  My amusement with you all will soon pass.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup - thus the 'fuck off nicely' request. one quick look at shanghaiist will tell you why. another angry white guy in China.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup - thus the &#8216;fuck off nicely&#8217; request. one quick look at shanghaiist will tell you why. another angry white guy in China.</p>
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		<title>By: SD Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.aricwithana.com/2008/12/26/chinesepod-thoughts-or-how-to-make-a-charcoal-mess-out-of-burnt-bridge-wood/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>SD Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who's this guy Alex N and what's with the circular argument? What's "synonym = homonym" supposed to mean, since they're not equal at all? 
Does he really think his comments are even slightly clever?
Does he have a "get in the last word" complex?
Are all his comments always this "whiny"?
Is this the usual spiel for Shanghaiist commentators? 
Sheesh, now I remember why I steered clear of the expat crowd when I lived over there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s this guy Alex N and what&#8217;s with the circular argument? What&#8217;s &#8220;synonym = homonym&#8221; supposed to mean, since they&#8217;re not equal at all?<br />
Does he really think his comments are even slightly clever?<br />
Does he have a &#8220;get in the last word&#8221; complex?<br />
Are all his comments always this &#8220;whiny&#8221;?<br />
Is this the usual spiel for Shanghaiist commentators?<br />
Sheesh, now I remember why I steered clear of the expat crowd when I lived over there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Riaad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riaad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Alex:  "...it’s kind of whiny in my opinion..."

Then, to quote Alex again:  "Well, despite being called nasty names (and having done no such thing in return), and at the same time being told I’m the one engaging in pointless angry banter, I stand by my statement"

Now quoting Alex with the same quote, but this time with reference to this second quote which refers to him:   "...it’s kind of whiny in my opinion..."

Now to quote another line of Alex:  "And why am I being tarred for reading Shanghaiist? I don’t know much about you, but call me a “Shanghaiist commenter” as your opening argument does not win much respect."

And yes, you guessed it:   "...it’s kind of whiny in my opinion..."

You clearly only read what you want to read here Alex - so I hope this reads well for you - seeing as they are all YOUR own words!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Alex:  &#8220;&#8230;it’s kind of whiny in my opinion&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, to quote Alex again:  &#8220;Well, despite being called nasty names (and having done no such thing in return), and at the same time being told I’m the one engaging in pointless angry banter, I stand by my statement&#8221;</p>
<p>Now quoting Alex with the same quote, but this time with reference to this second quote which refers to him:   &#8220;&#8230;it’s kind of whiny in my opinion&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Now to quote another line of Alex:  &#8220;And why am I being tarred for reading Shanghaiist? I don’t know much about you, but call me a “Shanghaiist commenter” as your opening argument does not win much respect.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yes, you guessed it:   &#8220;&#8230;it’s kind of whiny in my opinion&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You clearly only read what you want to read here Alex - so I hope this reads well for you - seeing as they are all YOUR own words!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it clearly happened because of your charming personality.  Anyone looking for an English teacher?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it clearly happened because of your charming personality.  Anyone looking for an English teacher?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you don't care then stop commenting - we have already established (both myself and others) what this post is about and why it happened.

you're bringing up other things for the sake of bringing them up. 

fuck off to another blog.

*please*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you don&#8217;t care then stop commenting - we have already established (both myself and others) what this post is about and why it happened.</p>
<p>you&#8217;re bringing up other things for the sake of bringing them up. </p>
<p>fuck off to another blog.</p>
<p>*please*</p>
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		<title>By: Alex N</title>
		<link>http://www.aricwithana.com/2008/12/26/chinesepod-thoughts-or-how-to-make-a-charcoal-mess-out-of-burnt-bridge-wood/comment-page-1/#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to say that's not how you treat friends, fine.   It's kind of whiny in my opinion but it's a subjective judgment.  It's also a bit tasteless (and unlikely to keep friends) to publicly rant in this way when your friends don't invite you to a party.  However the blog post says that CP "fucking stole" the idea - that to me  translates to an allegation of plagiarism or copyright infringement.

And why am I being tarred for reading Shanghaiist?  I don't know much about you, but call me a "Shanghaiist commenter" as your opening argument does not win much respect.   You obviously read it or you would have no basis to judge it.  I found out about your blog post there - so what?  I have tons of blogs in my reader and I'd be willing to be you have Shanghaiist in yours.  I have nothing to do with your jealous rivalry with Shanghaiist or ChinesePod.   You're playing the victim here because you got a high traffic site linking to you and you don't like what people think or perhaps are embarrassed by your post but don't want to back down.

Starting to agree with the commenter who said "Your blog is the same toxic blend of self-pity and delusions of grandeur."

Anyway, I don't really care.  I'm just a Shanghaiist commenter.

As for why both shows sucked, read about the history of Sesame Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to say that&#8217;s not how you treat friends, fine.   It&#8217;s kind of whiny in my opinion but it&#8217;s a subjective judgment.  It&#8217;s also a bit tasteless (and unlikely to keep friends) to publicly rant in this way when your friends don&#8217;t invite you to a party.  However the blog post says that CP &#8220;fucking stole&#8221; the idea - that to me  translates to an allegation of plagiarism or copyright infringement.</p>
<p>And why am I being tarred for reading Shanghaiist?  I don&#8217;t know much about you, but call me a &#8220;Shanghaiist commenter&#8221; as your opening argument does not win much respect.   You obviously read it or you would have no basis to judge it.  I found out about your blog post there - so what?  I have tons of blogs in my reader and I&#8217;d be willing to be you have Shanghaiist in yours.  I have nothing to do with your jealous rivalry with Shanghaiist or ChinesePod.   You&#8217;re playing the victim here because you got a high traffic site linking to you and you don&#8217;t like what people think or perhaps are embarrassed by your post but don&#8217;t want to back down.</p>
<p>Starting to agree with the commenter who said &#8220;Your blog is the same toxic blend of self-pity and delusions of grandeur.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t really care.  I&#8217;m just a Shanghaiist commenter.</p>
<p>As for why both shows sucked, read about the history of Sesame Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex N - I think you may be a bit confused here, mate. Aric didn't make the pitch, I did. I'm not complaining about anything and, in fact, have defended ChinesePod at every turn. Aric's objections are his own, but as a friend who sees a friend standing up for him when he perceived a wrong, I appreciate it. Aric has stated his concerns pretty clearly. It's not a legal issue. It was a moral issue. I've been friends with the folks at ChinesePod for a long time. I spent nearly two years working for them as their Newbie blogger. What he reacted to (if I may speak for him here) was that this is not the way you treat friends.

ChinesePod was always going to make its way into video eventually. At the time I made the pitch, I knew what I was doing in that arena and they didn't. I offered to come on board to help. They passed. The show I proposed was merely an example of what could be done. I didn't and don't lay any claim to it.

Do I wish that they'd given me a head's-up or a tip of the hat? You bet. But that has everything to do with our long-standing relationship and absolutely nothing to do with legalities or ownership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex N - I think you may be a bit confused here, mate. Aric didn&#8217;t make the pitch, I did. I&#8217;m not complaining about anything and, in fact, have defended ChinesePod at every turn. Aric&#8217;s objections are his own, but as a friend who sees a friend standing up for him when he perceived a wrong, I appreciate it. Aric has stated his concerns pretty clearly. It&#8217;s not a legal issue. It was a moral issue. I&#8217;ve been friends with the folks at ChinesePod for a long time. I spent nearly two years working for them as their Newbie blogger. What he reacted to (if I may speak for him here) was that this is not the way you treat friends.</p>
<p>ChinesePod was always going to make its way into video eventually. At the time I made the pitch, I knew what I was doing in that arena and they didn&#8217;t. I offered to come on board to help. They passed. The show I proposed was merely an example of what could be done. I didn&#8217;t and don&#8217;t lay any claim to it.</p>
<p>Do I wish that they&#8217;d given me a head&#8217;s-up or a tip of the hat? You bet. But that has everything to do with our long-standing relationship and absolutely nothing to do with legalities or ownership.</p>
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